LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

Rasmus (guest) 18 May 2011 09:15

First of all, i want to thank everyone for creating and posting/answering to threads on this site. I have been following this site for about 6 months, after i stumbled across some woo sites and 2012 hysteria threads. This site has proven very helpful, and has made me feel less anxious and not worrying about 2012.

As the title for this thread is LCH, its about some news i noticed:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/large-hadron-could-solve-riddle-of-god-particle-in-2012-say-physicists/story-e6frfro0-1226058213858

And i dont need debunking for this since i already read the site thoroughly about every claimed evidence etc. and i don't think this will cause any problems, other then local at the LCH if something goes wrong…

My point in this thread is that because of news about LCH in late 2012, could it be possible that we together could take some action against the timing, and maybe somehow get it to be scheduled in early 2013 when most of the 2012 hysteria is over, so that people wouldn't stress about this? As we get closer to 2012 every news like this makes more and more people anxious and gets people to believe that something really might happen…

Maybe we could get alot of people to write to the LCH, and tell them about what hysteria there will be just because their date is in late 2012, what do you think?

I have had a hard time dealing with all of the 2012 claims etc, but this site has helped me get on with my life as normal, and enjoying every second with 9 month old son and wonderful girlfriend, so thank you again :)

Re: LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

Gary A 18 May 2011 09:37

Reading the article I don't think they mean they are going to carry out some weird experiment that could put lives in jeopardy in late 2012, I think it means these experiments are already being carried out and they expect to have an answer on whether or not the theorised Higgs boson particle exists or not by late 2012.

maybe somehow get it to be scheduled in early 2013

I see your point here, as it's clear the doom and gloomers will see the whole "late 2012" part and jump on it like vultures on a rotten carcus, but the LHC is a fascinating science experiment that has cost a lot of money, so I can't see them moving any date a potential result could be discovered due to psudoscientific lunatics.

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Re: LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

3WMElliott 18 May 2011 09:37

Firstly, swap the C and the H, as it's the LHC, and secondly no, I don't think it's necessary to campaign at all.

There has to come a time when people start to realize there is nothing in the 2012 date. You know what it's like, you've taken steps to reduce your anxiety about it, you hopefully know with enough certainty that you'll breeze through December and wonder what all the fuss was about.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world gets on with their own lives. The rest of world, whether they know about the 2012 phenomena or not (and remember and awful lot of people don't have a clue as to how wild the ideas has become), have things to do, scientists included. The LHC has already suffered setbacks, and the infamous 'God particle' is itself only a prediction, and one scientist or one group being hopeful of determining it's existence before the end of 2012 is their opinion.

We cannot halt the progress of science because of superstition. We can look back at lost scientific progress from as recent as the stem-cell debates to as old as the dark ages, entire centuries of history where science might as well have been a criminal offense.

We could be on the verge of a pretty big breakthrough in our understanding of the Universe. That is far more important than what dates it's found to be up and running (and just while I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if Dec 21st falls in their winter shut down period, when scientists slow down the work and fire up the Christmas celebrations, I'd have to check).

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JamesJJlm 18 May 2011 13:12

I was under the impression from several news articles and quotes from scientists working on the LHC, that they would be shutting down the LHC to make sure its ready for 2013 when they start breaking some records. Of course, it was subject to change i'm sure.

Re: LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

obaeyens 18 May 2011 20:27

My point in this thread is that because of news about LCH in late 2012, could it be possible that we together could take some action against the timing, and maybe somehow get it to be scheduled in early 2013 when most of the 2012 hysteria is over, so that people wouldn't stress about this

No, since that would add another item to the 2012 hoaxers using it as claim that LHC knows that it would do bad stuff.

Why wasting time and money because some hoaxers would freak out?

theghostinside (guest) 18 May 2011 09:40

Good call, I agree with you that perhaps the potential for widespread hysteria should be taken into consideration by those operating the LHC. My guess, since I'm not extensively educated in virtually anything that the large hadron collider does, is that time frames are probably of essence. I imagine one of the more knowledgeable posters here could explain why that is (if it is the case).

Also worth nothing that perhaps these scientists know how ludicrous 2012 doomsday claims are, and will continue their research as planned regardless. But I do agree the hysteria is worth them noting.

Rasmus (guest) 18 May 2011 09:58

Thank you for answering and sorry for the typo, LCH = LHC :)

I was not suggesting that we should march to Switzerland to campaign about it or anything. Just maybe sending a message for them to note. I'm not that worried about this, but i am very worried about a lot of people who believes what the woo sites and doomsayers says, since many of them can sound very credible, especially when using scientific words that most people doesn't understand the meaning of…

and the point was that these kind of news might ruin many peoples lives until Dec 22.

Mostly i am afraid of suicides and murders that might happen because of all this. But for me, i am living one day at a time and trying not to worry about these kinds of things.

Thank you anyway for your opinions and answers :)

3WMElliott 18 May 2011 16:36

Those who work at the LHC are well aware of the nonsense spewed forth about their work. Ultimately they've got to draw the line somewhere, they can't spend month after month fighting people who will not listen or repeating the same answers over and over again.

They've got FAQs and guides about what is and isn't possible, they've got umpteen safety reports for people to look over, they've even got a presence on Twitter. You could even argue that after what, a year or so of operation already, people have moved on, no longer seeing it as a threat to the planet. Not everyone sure, but we see so few topics about it here for example.

Moo (guest) 18 May 2011 10:49

Let them get ruined, I say.

Now, before I get yelled at, look at this way; If we were to postpone a huge scientific breakthrough just because that year has some bogus doomsday claims, then we should do it for every year.

And EVERY year has a doomsday claim!

Illogical.

Rasmus (guest) 18 May 2011 10:56

Yes, you are right, its a "bogus doomsday claim", but not the ordinary one, but one that in nowadays society with internet being one of the lead places for "information" (though often misinformation) then this might have very severe consequences to people compared to other doomsday dates. This is the biggest one yet, and i hope it will be the last this big, since all the theory's will probably get blown when 2012 passes…

And i do understand your point, and it does sound illogical when you put it that way :)

Re: LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

Mephistospheles 18 May 2011 11:00

We must remember that this is a claim so famous that there was a movie made out of it. I don't think it's just an ordinary doomsday claim.

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Moo (guest) 18 May 2011 11:02

Ahem. Y2K had far more movies made out of it, and not a dang person stopped their lives during 1999/2000 to humor it.

Re: LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

Mephistospheles 18 May 2011 11:13

…I can barely find a movie based on that. But, I see your point. You believe that something on this scale shouldn't be delayed for the sake of progress. That, and it might be expensive too.

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Re: LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

DieselHorseLAW 18 May 2011 12:16

I honestly find that for somebody who is anxious over this subject that anything in the news or anywhere else for that matter with the numbers "2012" in it cause a height in anxiety. It doesn't even matter what else is written before or after those numbers, the numbers stick out like a sore thumb. It is an obsession of an anxious mind. I honestly think the more people see things going on as business as usual especially for something as big as the LHC that they should find it calming. Of course like I said, it is just those numbers that have become infamous to an anxious minority that are latched onto.

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Re: LCH scheduled for late 2012 - what we can do?

Tomy2011 18 May 2011 16:53

Why don't you just thank the scientists for having discovered so many things with the LHC, instead of hearing these claims about doomsday? I'm so proud of those physicists.

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emmylou 18 May 2011 21:05

The LHC is staying active all through 2012 it was meant to shutdown for an upgrade but they will now run till the end of 2012, I have had my problems with the LHC in the past as most of you know, I find it hard to believe that there are still people out there scared of it, there is nothing going to happen to us or the world, the only thing that can go wrong with the LHC is a massive quench again and it would be shutdown for repair this is not going to happen well i hope not LOL, as for the physics well lets see :) Strangelets? not happening we will not be turned to gloop :) micro black holes could happen i think this thought it could help us see extra dimensions :) and as for Ivan's fav magntic holes well even he has relised how silly he was and just disappeared off the face of the earth :) so as for the LHC now, its getting there, they are having a little bit of trouble with the beams staying in the machine and there ain't been physics for about 3 weeks, hopefully with a little bit of luck things will be back up and running very very soon :)

Over and out the LHCprincess AKA Emmylou ;)

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