Timewave Zero

Timewave Zero

eddie (guest) 06 Jun 2011 11:31

the main argument for the debunking of the timewave zero theory is that terrence mckenna adjusted the end date to match the end of the mayan calendar. however, even if he did fudge the end date by about a month, the graph still ends next year, or at least soon. it's all to do with novelty theory, which i really don't understand. also, the graph seems to spike at the time of 9/11 as well, and that he constructed the graph before he knew about 2012? please help, as i really dont like this.

Re: Timewave Zero

Gary A 06 Jun 2011 13:13

Hi eddie;

Terrence McKenna came up with his novelty theory while high on halucanagenic drugs, so his credibility is already down as far as I'm concerned.

the main argument for the debunking of the timewave zero theory is that terrence mckenna adjusted the end date to match the end of the mayan calendar

That's a pretty good argument if you ask me, that's like doing an equation, getting the wrong answer, and copying the right answer from the guy next to you. That's not a theory, that's called cheating. It doesn't matter if it's close or in the same year, if it's even a day off it would be as well as being a million years off. He also started his cyclic count with the date of the Hiroshima bomb, and while that was a huge event, why did he use that date? Why not the start of world war 1, the end of the American civil war, the JFK assassination? Thats called cherry picking, it's scientifically invalid and his ideas are complete numerological nonsense.

You can read more about it here:
http://www.2012hoax.org/terence-mckenna

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Re: Timewave Zero

bikenbeer2000 06 Jun 2011 13:33

he constructed the graph before he knew about 2012

Yes, and when he found out about 2012, he fiddled the graph.

Terence McKenna said that Timewave Zero would stand or fall by how accurately it predicted events before the year 2012. McKenna died in 2000, so how well has Timewave Zero done since then? The answer is that it hasn't done particularly well.

In an analysis, we find that 9/11 was less of a novel event than the opening of the Channel Tunnel and the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami doesn't feature at all. A Timewave Zero supporter has plotted the ebb and flow of novelty since the year 2000 and has highlighted various events coinciding with peaks and troughs.
As an exercise in cherry-picking, it takes some beating.

It is explained in this YouTube video.
The video is almost 15 minutes long. The post-2000 analysis to which I have referred starts 9 minutes in.

Timewave Zero is an arbitrary mathematical formula and McKenna never showed on what basis either the scale or start/end points were related to real-time events. As a predictive tool, I would rate it on a par with reading tea leaves.

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Re: Timewave Zero

Astrogeek 06 Jun 2011 16:29

No, the main arguments for debunking the 'timewave zero' idea (NOT a theory) is that it is constructed based upon an ancient Chinese system of fortune-telling, has no credible mechanism, was not peer reviewed, and appears to base its arguments on cherry-picked data.

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Re: Timewave Zero

obaeyens 06 Jun 2011 19:19

Timewave zero is useless to predicting anything beforehand.

eddie (guest) 06 Jun 2011 20:14

the idea of novelty then, i'm guessing it's not well accepted? it just freaks me out that it ends so close to the end of the mayan calendar. also, doesn't web bot predict something to happen in 2012?

obaeyens 06 Jun 2011 20:18

doesn't web bot predict something to happen in 2012?

The web bot only predicts stuff that people write about.
If it predicts the 2012 then it is just because so many people put up web sites and blog about.

Tomy2011 06 Jun 2011 20:19

the idea of novelty then, i'm guessing it's not well accepted?

No, it's not.

it just freaks me out that it ends so close to the end of the mayan calendar. also, doesn't web bot predict something to happen in 2012?

It's close because Terence McKenna's "theory" is a pseudoscience and completely baseless. He just adjusted the date to be close to the end of the mayan calendar.
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