Ancient aliens, etc.

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Just saw in Natgeo........

Ancient aliens, etc.

Erik (guest) 08 Jun 2011 19:09

Hello ITS me again, Erik.

Just saw in National Geographic Channel a show about ancient aliens and proofs that the Annunaki really came to Earth and taught everything they knew to sumerians, egyptians and mayans. So these civilisations could build pyramids and create crop circles and the NAZCA LINES. SOME questions:

Whats the simplest explanation to the Nazca Lines in Peru? Also some of them are like airport runways, for what? For the UFOs?
According to a guy on the show if you ask any mayan or egyptian where did they come from, they will just point to the skies, indicating that they are from ANOTHER planet. AND that makes me wonder a LOT.
Fact: In 1900-1901, the Antikythera mechanism was recovered. It is believed that it was built between 150 and 100 BC (BC!!!). How people 2000 years ago could construct such a COMPUTER? It was used to calculate astronomical positions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

But here is the sinister thing!! They found a starchild skull 60-70 years ago:

http://www.starchildproject.com/

Here is the Natgeo page on the episode:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/is-it-real/2701/Overview

Starring:
Erich Von Däniken

My point is: if this is true so the Annunaki and Nibiru do exist and if they exist, Nibiru may be in collision course with Earth! Erich Von Däniken said that the aliens were Annunaki and they came from Nibiru. So they knew much more about the universe than us. Because of that, if they really came from Nibiru, then it may be back in 2012, RIGHT???

PLEASE, debunk??

Erik (guest) 08 Jun 2011 19:11

Oh sorry i created quotation blocks. Actually i did put "»" but i didnt want to put quotes.

Re: Ancient aliens, etc.

obaeyens 08 Jun 2011 19:16

My point is: if this is true so the Annunaki and Nibiru do exist and if they exist, Nibiru may be in collision course with Earth!

Look left, Nibiru could not even be remotable possible exist.

Re: Ancient aliens, etc.

DieselHorseLAW 08 Jun 2011 19:39

According to a guy on the show if you ask any mayan or egyptian where did they come from, they will just point to the skies, indicating that they are from ANOTHER planet.

So, we should just believe what he says right? How about actually asking a Mayan, but I guess that would not be so easy as to just say something and hope people take you seriously as an all knowing person. When I asked a Mayan on my trip to Guatemala where Justin Beiber came from, they pointed to the ground, indicating he came from HELL! Right? Of course I have never been to Guatemala or met an actual Mayan that I know of, but if I didn't tell you the truth how would you know it was a lie? Anybody can say anything as long as they don't have to back it up.

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Re: Ancient aliens, etc.

Marko S 08 Jun 2011 19:54

proofs that the Annunaki really came to Earth and taught everything they knew to sumerians, egyptians and mayans

In order to do that, the Annunnaki should exist in the first place. They do not exist.

If they "taught everything they knew" to the Sumerians, Egyptians and the Mayans, then these "Annunnaki" know much less about the actual workings of the universe than we do.

crop circles

Sumerians, egyptians and mayans made crop circles? Since when? I thought they were a modern phenomenon, created by pranksters with two-by-fours and some string.

See here:

http://www.circlemakers.org/

Erich Von Däniken

Oh please.

Wikipedia - Erich von Däniken (emphasis by me):

Some also question von Däniken's credibility, as he has also knowingly put forward fraudulent evidence to advance his hypotheses, such as photographs of pottery "depicting UFOs", supposedly from an archaeological dig dating back to the biblical era. The PBS television series Nova determined that this was a fraud, and even located the potter who made them. When confronted with this evidence, von Däniken argued that the deception was justified because some people would only believe his ideas if they saw actual proof.[10]

In The Gold of the Gods von Däniken claimed to have been guided through artificial tunnels in a cave under Ecuador, Cueva de los Tayos, containing gold, strange statues and a library with metal tablets, which he wrote was evidence of ancient space visitors. The man who he claimed showed him these tunnels, Juan Moricz, told Der Spiegel that all of von Däniken's descriptions came from a long conversation and that the photos in the book had been "fiddled". Von Däniken eventually told Playboy that although he had seen the library and other places he had described, he had also fabricated some of the events to add interest to his book.[

The guy is a total fraud and he even admits it himself!

Here is a link to a skeptical article concerning Däniken's Chariot's of the Gods book:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/von_daumlnikenrsquos_chariots_a_primer_in_the_art_of_cooked_science/

if this is true

Well, it's not.

so the Annunaki and Nibiru do exist and if they exist, Nibiru may be in collision course with Earth!

Since Nibiru or the Annunnaki do not exist, then Nibiru cannot be with a collision course with Earth. An imaginary object cannot collide with the Earth.

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Re: Ancient aliens, etc.

RickardM 08 Jun 2011 19:38

Are you serious? How about following obayens advice and actually look at the sidebar, preferably under the Nibiru/Planet X topic? This crap has been dealt with sooooo many times before that it actually is close to insane how anyone can still believe any of it. Heck, even the ones promoting it is starting to look at other doomsday-objects since this one has been debunked beyond reckognition.

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Re: Ancient aliens, etc.

Gary A 08 Jun 2011 20:13

I hate this whole "aliens taught ancients how to do things" crap. So we are expected to believe that an alien civilization who mastered intergalactic travel, came to earth, told Egyptians and the mayans how to build pyramids and grow crops, then left? Why leave it at that, why not teach them about electricity, or how to make medicine to cure diseases? All that way to show them how to build a fancy pyramid, seems kind of silly. Read this for some real education on the matter from an actual historian, not some fraud who's only interested in getting famous.

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Re: Ancient aliens, etc.

TheGreatJuju 08 Jun 2011 19:58

Just saw in National Geographic Channel a show about ancient aliens and proofs that the Annunaki really came to Earth and taught everything they knew to sumerians, egyptians and mayans.

Yay, this crap again.

So these civilisations could build pyramids and create crop circles and the NAZCA LINES.

It insults every one of those cultures to suggest that they required extraterrestrial assistance to construct things.

Whats the simplest explanation to the Nazca Lines in Peru?

They were created by people.

Also some of them are like airport runways, for what?

According to whom? Crank author Erich von Däniken, that's who. Do any actual scholars support that claim? I don't think so.

For the UFOs?

Why would anyone create runways for unidentified flying objects? Do you have any evidence that such objects even existed?

According to a guy on the show if you ask any mayan or egyptian where did they come from, they will just point to the skies, indicating that they are from ANOTHER planet.

Who is this guy? Any Mayan or Egyptian gives that answer? Really? How would they know? Where is the peer-reviewed research that analyzes this conclusion?

AND that makes me wonder a LOT.

Why?

Fact: In 1900-1901, the Antikythera mechanism was recovered. It is believed that it was built between 150 and 100 BC (BC!!!). How people 2000 years ago could construct such a COMPUTER?

Because a computer can technically be anything used to compute, from an abacus to your desktop to your iPhone. According to your link:

"The degree of mechanical sophistication is comparable to a 19th century Swiss clock. Technological artifacts of similar complexity and workmanship did not reappear until the 14th century, when mechanical astronomical clocks were built in Europe."

So are you contending that 14th-Century-level mechanical technology required space aliens in order to construct? Are you serious?

But here is the sinister thing!! They found a starchild skull 60-70 years ago:

Ah, yes, the alien skull. Bogus.

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"Steven Novella of Yale University Medical School concludes that the cranium exhibits all of the characteristics of a child who has died as a result of congenital hydrocephalus, and that the cranial deformations were the result of accumulations of cerebrospinal fluid within the skull."

"DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD, a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes".[8] Further DNA testing at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, in 2003 recovered mitochondrial DNA from both skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starchild_skull

My point is: if this is true so the Annunaki and Nibiru do exist and if they exist,

It isn't true.

Nibiru may be in collision course with Earth!

No.

http://www.2012hoax.org/nibiru

Erich Von Däniken said

You can safely ignore anything Erich Von Däniken says.

that the aliens were Annunaki and they came from Nibiru.

Case in point.

So they knew much more about the universe than us. Because of that, if they really came from Nibiru, then it may be back in 2012, RIGHT???

Wrong.

PLEASE, debunk??

With a little effort, you could have easily debunked this yourself.

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Re: Ancient aliens, etc.

Tomy2011 08 Jun 2011 21:33

Ah, what did I miss? … Oh, hello again, Erik!

Hello ITS me again, Erik.

Just saw in National Geographic Channel a show about ancient aliens and proofs that the Annunaki really came to Earth and taught everything they knew to sumerians, egyptians and mayans.

"Proofs"? Where?

So these civilisations could build pyramids and create crop circles and the NAZCA LINES.

They built pyramids and the Nazca Lines because they "taught everything they knew" to those people? The egyptians built the pyramids and the Nazca people constructed the Nazca Lines as well:

Researcher Joe Nickell of the University of Kentucky has reproduced the figures by using tools and technology available to the Nazca people. - Quote from Wikipedia: 'Nazca Lines' article.

A construction management study (testing) carried out by the firm Daniel, Mann, Johnson, & Mendenhall in association with Mark Lehner and other Egyptologists, estimates that the total project required an average workforce of 14,567 people and a peak workforce of 40,000. Without the use of pulleys, wheels, or iron tools, they used critical path analysis to suggest the Great Pyramid was completed from start to finish in approximately 10 years. - Quote from Wikipedia: 'Egyptian pyramid construction techniques' article.

If these two quotes were not enough to you, which I doubt, also visit this site (thanks to Marko S) and see that even "small" groups of people can do professional crop circles. And without any alien! Isn't it amazing? :-)

Whats the simplest explanation to the Nazca Lines in Peru?

Read above.

Also some of them are like airport runways, for what?

Maybe the Nazca loved to run on the Nazca Lines… But aliens? Noo…

According to a guy on the show if you ask any mayan or egyptian where did they come from, they will just point to the skies, indicating that they are from ANOTHER planet.

Actually, both Maya and Egyptians were very good astronomers. So their gods probably have something to do with the skies. Like when you say that when you die you are supposed to go to the sky and be judged by God. They point to their gods, to Quetzalcoatl… :-D

In 1900-1901, the Antikythera mechanism was recovered. It is believed that it was built between 150 and 100 BC (BC!!!). How people 2000 years ago could construct such a COMPUTER?

It's a calculator. It's the oldest one, it's amazing, but it's not weird. Though it seems complex, and it is, it doesn't prove that the Annunaki or whoever that 'fell from the skies' had contact with these civilizations.
Believe me, the ancient astronauts idea has no sense at all.

But here is the sinister thing!! They found a starchild skull 60-70 years ago

I'll just copy and past the quote above, from TheGreatJuju:

DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD, a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes". Further DNA testing at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, in 2003 recovered mitochondrial DNA from both skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female.

Erich Von Däniken

Ugh!

My point is: if this is true so the Annunaki and Nibiru do exist and if they exist, Nibiru may be in collision course with Earth!

No, I think that not even Erich Von whatever agrees on this. He just claims that the aliens came from Nibiru. Not that Nibiru has a 3,600-year orbit around something and will enter the inner solar system in 2012 and cause destruction.

So they knew much more about the universe than us.

Physics laws are physics laws. Nibiru is against the physics laws. It cannot exist. So what do these aliens know, and why should they disagree with us?

PLEASE, debunk??

Tcha-da-da!