Anxiety creeping in

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Imagination vs. Logic

Anxiety creeping in

legomaniac1992 05 Dec 2012 06:12

Hey all, my name is James, and I'm a 19 year old college student. As the title of this thread indicates, I too suffer from anxiety, and this 2012 nonsense has been haunting me since 2006. I was scared for my life, being only in middle school at the time, and a while later I discovered this site and have been coming here whenever my fears got the better of me. I like to think that I'm a logical guy. I make bad decisions, sure, and I blow some things out of proportion, but by and large I'd say I'm pretty even.

That said, this 2012 stuff's always in the back of my mind, and the reassurance of coming here is starting to wear thin (I was taught not to believe everything I see, but here it's a double-edged sword). At one point I wanted to commit suicide because the combination of this and some personal matters made me doubt if life was worth living. I honestly want to believe everything said here, but the paranoia in my brain is making me have my doubts. My overactive imagination (Blame my mother) is playing out scenarios of me waking up to seeing the world around me tear into pieces. Trees and buildings ablaze as my pets scream for help, and me knowing that I'm just as helpless as they are in the grand scheme of things.

I'm also a devout Christian who believes that only He knows when the world will end, not the angels nor Jesus himself, let alone the population of Earth. But this can be a double edged sword as well.

Enough of me making up a horror story. Maybe part of it is me not really understanding all of the astronomy and science that goes into these debunkings, and maybe part of it is my imagination sneaking bit by bit into my reality; me seeing things no one else sees. I just want to enjoy the holidays and not worry about these lies.

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Gary A 05 Dec 2012 10:18

As far as trusting us, it's ok to be skeptical, that's really what we're trying to teach here. The only thing I can advise you is to independently educate yourself. If you see us saying such and such wont happen, check it out. I promise you that even the most basic education in science and the scientific method will have you laughing at these doom claims as hard as we all are. It's also worth noting that if we were indeed covering something up, we would be spending our last month on earth in a pretty drab way wouldn't you say? I don't know about you, but if I thought I only had a few weeks to live I wouldn't be spending it trying to calm a bunch of strangers.

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odo77 05 Dec 2012 10:35

I went through some of the stuff you spoke of. I have been visiting this site for a few weeks and it has helped some. My advice would be to stay away from internet as much as possible, as well as history channel and etc, and Avoid people who believe in 2012 nonsense. I don't understand all of the science stuff either, but a lot of it really comes down to common sense when you start thinking clearly and not with fear. There are SO many different doomsday theories for Dec. 21st and that right there helps me believe that they all do not know what they are talking about and randomly spewing predictions. I also want to enjoy the holidays and quit stressing, but it is hard as you said its always in the back of my mind as well, Don't get sucked in to the ignorant people and videos that are everywhere, they will make everything worse. Try to enjoy yourself and know you are not alone.

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Gary A 05 Dec 2012 10:37

Is there any particular theory or proponent either of you are worried about?

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The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.

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odo77 05 Dec 2012 10:45

Not so much the theories that get me, its all the people who talk about it so much, like the yahoo government promises thing, And you look at the comments and basically all it is are "This is what the movie said" "Then why is the government building bunkers under the white house and airports and yada yada" "Obama is going to Hawaii for 3 weeks to hide" And all the typical junk, As i said in my other post few days ago, It just makes me wonder, if i am so scared and don't want to believe it, Why are these people on board and so sure? what am i missing, I cant believe anyone now. Even one of my friends who iv known for many years all of a sudden came out and told me hes scared of planet x or nibiru and that i need to watch the videos and and be ready because its coming, and he was actual serious and that scares me, I feel like i am alone and everyone around me is going crazy and it worry's me.

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Gary A 05 Dec 2012 11:04

It's widespread, sure, but that doesn't make it true. I get what you're saying though. It's hard to get over this type of fear when people around you are wallowing in it. It's like "well I might be crazy and irrational, but surely all of these people can't be!" There are people who walk the face of this planet who believe that the earth is hollow. There are people who believe that planet earth is 6000 years old. There are people who think that Elvis isn't really dead and is living in a mansion on Mars.

That's how it goes, people can and will believe in severely stupid shit, it doesn't mean they're right simply because they believe it to be true. Something like the end of the world can jump out at people. It's a popular idea because ultimately, it will bring your demise if its true. So people hear of this and get emotionally invested in it. That can be a hard mind set to shake off.

The bottom line is that you're worrying because of a fairy story, so are all these others that are taking it seriously. It's pseudoscientific nonsense that belongs in the sale section of the science fiction shelf. You'll never get the time back that you spent worrying over this, just remember that.

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The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.

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legomaniac1992 05 Dec 2012 12:31

Like I said, I suffer from anxiety, and even the possibility of our demise is enough for me to feel like hiding away. It's not so much that I'm skeptical, it's just the people who, despite no evidence at all, claiming something will happen. That said, I have firm belief in the scientists and such who have debunked every possible claim, but all the same I'm anxious. Again, I tend to be a worry wart, and it's a wonder how I got through Y2K, despite people in the know worried just as much as the masses. Look now, 12 years later we're here, so that alone makes me believe 2012 is a load of snake oil and that all the "claims" were shoe-horned to have the 2012 connection.

Another thing is if something was to happen, wouldn't we have a sign for something? Is there a mysterious orb in the sky? No. Are the planets going to align? Not that I know of, and probably not for a few decades. Solar flares? We've been through them but are any of us reduced to fried chicken? Nope. Still, I can't shake this feeling off of me.

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Gary A 05 Dec 2012 12:53

Well it's not really a case of anyone needing to debunk anything for you, it's more a case of you trying to snap out of it in a sense. To me it looks like you're trying to justify your anxiety, it's like you're worried and you need a reason, and this 2012 stuff has presented it to you on a plate. I'm a long term sufferer of anxiety myself, but in the past few years I've managed to get a hold of it and know how to fight it. When a negative thought or a "what if" finds it's way in there, I can overcome it by repeating certain facts to myself.

The point is that you shouldn't ever try to justify your fear to yourself. You know deep down that what you're feeling isn't normal, so it's a problem that needs to be confronted and defeated, not justified and accepted. I'm not aware if you're receiving any form of treatment or whatever, but a good step is always to see a professional and talk this through.

Try and not get too deep into your own thoughts either. Anxiety has a way of making you twist certain things into the absolute worst case scenario. You can be fine one minute then boom, a negative thought appears and before you know it, you're sitting fretting over a story that you've pretty much just made up in your own head.

This doomsday stuff is silly, that's all it is. It's a silly idea dreamt up by liars, con-men and idiots. You know that, you just need to try as hard as you can to convince yourself that's the case.

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The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.

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legomaniac1992 05 Dec 2012 20:14

I honestly tried getting help long ago, but it was a waste of money. The doc honestly wanted to send me to a mental hospital because I also used to have a bit of a confrontational attitude growing up (I got bullied a lot and finally had enough). Thankfully that side is gone, but the anxiety and depression is something that runs in my family. My parents were deathly afraid of Y2K (I guess because it's more mainsteam at the time and signs were already showing), to the point where we almost cleared out Sam's Club by stocking up on Cokes, water, Ramen noodles, etc. to where it lasted a good while after the fact. xD

Believe me, I do try to convince myself all of the doomsday stuff is hooey. Solar flares are a natural cycle, there's no celestial objects suddenly appearing on the 21st, the only thing even remotely plausible is the super-volcano thing, but then again seismologists would be on the trail of that one.

My main thing is if anything, ANYTHING was to happen on that faithful day, wouldn't we have a sign by now? I'm honestly contemplating sleeping through the whole day and staying off the computer (At least Facebook, Yahoo, Twitter, YouTube, etc.) just to avoid the nonsense. I have nothing to do then anyway: My classes will be done for the semester, my birthday will come two days later, then my family's annual Christmas party the next day and so on.

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Alene Y 05 Dec 2012 20:48

Hey Lego,
Things happen every day, so we can't say that nothing will happen, only that no doomsday events could happen without lots of prior warning, including the supervolcano thing.
There will be earthquakes, storms, floods, etc, as usual, but the world will just keep on going. Enjoy your birthday and Christmas party.

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obaeyens 05 Dec 2012 21:19

Gary A says it.
You do not need to debunk anything to lose the scare.
All you need to do is to start realizing that the claims are incredible stupid.
All you require is physicist knowledge someone that is 15 gets in school.

And even in a lot of cases all it requires is a stupid drawing on scale.

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obaeyens 05 Dec 2012 21:14

My overactive imagination (Blame my mother) is playing out scenarios of me waking up to seeing the world around me tear into pieces

An overactive imagination can also be used for positive things you know. ;-)
When you look at this site you see a lot of people working together to make this world a better place.
If you knew me personally then you would realize that what I do here is nothing compared to what effort I do for my GF.
Not everything is good but the world is way better than people realize. Just stay away from the media.

An overactive imagination can also do wonders in arts directions :-)

And one thing you must not forget. At age of 19 you still have these hormones rushing and still have not created a solid identity. A lot of teenagers are interested in these woowoo and conspiracy things to be somehow unique. They will grow out of it. It is a phase. :-)

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legomaniac1992 06 Dec 2012 00:05

I'd like to think my imagination is a good thing. I fancy myself as a bit of an amateur writer, so a keen imagination is essential, but like many other things I mentioned it can be a double-edged sword. On one hand I can help contribute to the arts, but on the other hand I'm making up my own ridiculous worst case scenario. I was never much of a conspiracy nut either. Hell, I always made fun of people with crackpot theories about the Illuminati and stuff like that, you know, tell them not to let their tin-foil hats get too tight. Funny because my skepticism is another sword in the arsenal, while I would like to believe the things that even NASA of all people wrote, I have that crackpot idea that maybe they're hiding something as to not spread fear and panic. Still, none of the scientific theories about doomsday make no sense anyway,but I can't get rid of that shaky feeling, and I still plan on sleeping through that entire day, and consider it a well-rested day before the Holiday hijinx.

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TheGreatJuju 06 Dec 2012 00:39

I have that crackpot idea that maybe they're hiding something as to not spread fear and panic.

I see that a lot, and I have yet to understand what leads people to even entertain the idea of such an extensive, superhuman cover-up effort. It's arguably as unlikely as any of the craziest doom scenarios.

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vwgreen 06 Dec 2012 00:46

I have that crackpot idea that maybe they're hiding something as to not spread fear and panic.

Yes, I don't understand this idea either. If the world were really ending, who cares if there was panic a few weeks before? Wouldn't there be panic during the event anyways? What would be the point in keeping order?

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legomaniac1992 06 Dec 2012 05:01

I dunno, like I said this is my imagination talking. It doesn't always make sense to me. That said, I feel a little at ease, thanks to you guys, but I still have this feeling of impending doom that won't go away until the day's done. That will be the ultimate proof that this is all a sham, when we all wake up the next morning, the only panic being if we waited too late to buy Christmas gifts.

I also mentioned I'm a Christian, and as far as I know there's no doomsday prediction therein, but in fact it says no man nor angel know the day and hour, not even Jesus himself, but God is the one who knows, but mum's the word. That alone gives me a bit of solace. It helped during Crackpot Camping's little charade last year (Incidentally I graduated high school on the supposed spiritual judgement day), and it'll help here.

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jasonb75 06 Dec 2012 05:44

Legomaniac, why would nasa or the government hide something like this? Think about it critically first, and reason with the question to ascertain the best possible answer. The best answer is there is no reason to hide the end of the world. There would be no need to protect infrastructures, banks, commerce, and government bldgs. People would want to spend time with their family or loved ones, and the chaos and panic you think will happen won't exist. What you've seen on TV from time to time with rioting and panic setting in, have been localized and contained within a certain area. Thats a totally different situation, because life has to go on after the rioting. The end of the world would be impossible to hide from the world. Think about it, over 200 governments, thousands of space agencies and gov agencies, 10's of 1000's of novice astronomers, and every crack pot looking for this shit would make it IMPOSSIBLE to cover up. There is no way that every single person would keep quiet, for what reason. Everyone would be notified way in advanced, because the more people that know about it in advance, then the more options there are to fight the end. And thats what it boils down to

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metalangel 06 Dec 2012 18:34

Legomanic. you have to trust the government when it comes to something like the world ending; they're hiding absolutely nothing because let me repeat, THERE IS NO PROOF that the world is ending anytime soon, just a couple of crackpots bored with their lives so they can ruin it for everybody else.

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Johnny Football 07 Dec 2012 07:42

I understand the distrust of government. We should always question and never put our trust in such a large entity. Heck, I don't trust the government to wipe their own butt. That being said, the so called government could never cover up a doomsday senario. It would be impossible. The world governments cannot get along as it is. Do you really think they would all come together and hide something like a giant planet x coming to destroy humanity? Or that they were building a bunch of giant multi trillion dollar arcs in the mountains of tibet that only those THOUSANDS who had bought tickets would be on? Think about that. People do not keep secrets very well. When we know something that is absolutely crazy we have to tell someone. You could not keep a lid on this type of thing. So just know that the government, while not to be trusted, is more inept than even you or I are. They may have a lot of our money and military power. But they are not some supreme being type that have infinite mind power to keep things quiet.

If you are really a legomanic then use the 21st as a day to put together your ultimate lego. Go buy the death star and work on it all day. Have fun doing something you like. Or be like me and go lock the tops of doomsday shelters with a pad lock.

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legomaniac1992 08 Dec 2012 16:56

Thanks! I'm glad I'm not alone in terms of governmental distrust. Surely by now they would have let something slip if anything was to happen.

I'm finally getting some piece of mind, but my sleep schedule has been messed up because of this. Falling asleep at 1-2 A.M. and waking around the almost noon time.

About the Lego thing, I would go out and buy a big set for myself, but my birthday's on the 23rd, and I usually get a ton of money then (Usually around $100-200 total from friends and family), so I'll more than likely buy myself a "See? No end of the world!" present, while I eagerly await what theory the tin-hat wearers will cook up next.

That said, I know one reason why people are still afraid: Fear of the unknown. Think about it, you never know what your day will be like. Something could pop up at the last minute, and unless you make plans ahead of time, your life is completely random. No one knows what will happen on the 21st. People will die, yes, but people die every day, all over the world, just as much as people are born. We're never guaranteed tomorrow or the next day/week/month/etc. My fear is that someone will try to make an end to the world somehow, or people will kill themselves. We already had people do that or threaten to take their own lives out of fear, all because of psuedoscience, false prophets, and historical misinterpretations, all because someone wanted to make a quick buck.

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Johnny Football 11 Dec 2012 17:28

You are welcome. Fear of the unknown is scary at times. that is why we are often afraid of the dark. We fear what we cannot see/do not know. the thing is, the 21st is no different than May 15, 2200 or September 23, 1800.

As far as what we do or do not know about the 21st, we would know if we were going to have some giant planet x/nibriu/dwarf star about to wreak havoc upon our planet. Now could all the squirrels band together on the 21st in an attempt for world domination? I cannot say with 100% certainty that it won't happen as we don't have scientists monitoring squirel activity worldwide. But it is highly unlikely.

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obaeyens 11 Dec 2012 17:41

Thanks! I'm glad I'm not alone in terms of governmental distrust.

I am the last one that likes politicians.

However politicians are too stupid for real big things like the conspiracy theorists claim.
Small scale, like avoiding taxes or trying to undermine science teaching by altering textbooks under the radar.

The biggest conspiracy is probably the music and film industry slowly undermining your rights in the name of music piracy and raise music taxes. e.g. in My country we have this additional music tax on USB sticks, hard disks, CD DVD.

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rattlyknees 12 Dec 2012 21:46

Hi Lego,

I may be the "token senior citizen" on this forum, but we're both writers and I can tell we think a lot alike. I write poetry. I have nightmares. They come from the same fertile source. You're right - a powerful imagination is a wonderful gift - the license it gives you in conjuring images and the words to make them vivid. But it can really be a burden at times like this, can't it?

Just want you to know I am reading your words, admiring your courage, and sending you the very best. We'll get through this.

Rattly