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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Astrogeek</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>334222</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Calleman is pretty thoroughly debunked by Johan Normark at his blog.</p> <p><a href="http://haecceities.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/2012-how-to-spot-a-prophet%E2%80%99s-maya-hoax-%E2%80%93-designing-a-personal-cosmology/">http://haecceities.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/2012-how-to-spot-a-prophet%E2%80%99s-maya-hoax-%E2%80%93-designing-a-personal-cosmology/</a></p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>SimonEriksson</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>403243</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I think so to, I've tried to talk to some people on other forum well MJ forums then but they are thinking that the mayans predicted it so I don't even care.</p> <p>And that's what I ment to I mean how can you talk about the end of the world then say that we can stop it with'in 4 years? :P Oh well I can't wait for 2013.</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I am fairly sure that Jackson was referring to Global Warming, and the concept of a 'tipping point' beyond which climate change is irreversible.</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>SimonEriksson</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>403243</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I've looked the Michael Jackson thing up and I must say that I am spooked out, now when he is dead we can't ask him what he meant.</p> <p>But If we say this, MJ is refering to the end of the world, if MJ would know that then he must have get that information form some one and the only thing I can think of is the goverment but MJ did'nt like the goverment and even if he would have get that info from the goverment I think it would be all over the world, what do you think?</p> <p>He said that we have 4 years to get it rigth or else it would be unreversable, then he can't mean the end of the world? You can't stop the end of the world rigth?</p> <p>If some one would wan't to ad something or correct me then welcome.</p> <p>But I looked in a MJ forum and they called him an morden prophet and that we sould listen to him,what do you think, that he knew something we don't, that he is refering to 2012?</p> <p>I can't find any straight answer I only have that line to go on so if some one is more known in the subject then you can help me and Eric by explain some stuff. :P</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Sorry for posting in an dead thread, but I think the site could use a ''Spiritual transformation'' page that debunkes the idea.</p> <p>And I am from Sweden an I've never heard of Carl Johan Calleman but I think I will email him or call him and then write what he said.</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Relax, this just BS by adults who act like children. Your mind is not going anywhere! ;)</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>what is sweden like?</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>OMG thank you so much!!! :D Now I feel so good and calm and I have'nt feelt like this for weeks :D !!!</p> <p>TANK YOU SO MUCH!!! :D :D :) :).!!</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Spiritual transformations only have basis for reality in religion and even then its ties to the reality of things are very slim.</p> <p>Again, entering a new dimension is theoretical at best, the only place where you can see someone entering a new dimension is probably Stargate SG-1 or some other science fiction TV show.</p> <p>Back to spiritual transformation; It's doubtful and again, it strictly exists within religion and nothing more.</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Well the thing that I am most worried about is the one that sounds most silly IMO.</p> <p>It's all these new age stuffs, Spiritual transform and a new demension.</p> <p>So please just answer yes or no to these questions and I need to have the truth because I am really bugged by this.</p> <p>Are we going to have a spiritual transform in 2012?</p> <p>Are we going to enter a new demension in 2012, and if we where sould we be seeing som changes by now?</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Well I think so to and if they where talking about 2012 I don't think they would be allowed to put it in the movie. ;)</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>From the context I am certain that Kenny was talking about the &quot;ending performance&quot; of the show.</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>One more thing about Michael, in the last 10 minutes of the ''this is it'' movie Kenny Ortega is saying this.</p> <p>''I wan't to do a sound check on ''Man in the mirror'', and then we talk about the ending.''</p> <p>Then Michael and some of the dancers are like ''yea, sure, okay fine''.</p> <p>Do you think Kenny is meaning the end of the show or the world?</p> <p>I live in Sweden so I don't get so mutch of what they are saying becasue the sound quality was very bad and the subtitels here in Sweden was'nt good.</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Okay :)</p> <p>But I am still kinda bugged by the ''new demension'' stuff, that can't be true?</p> <p>I mean nothing like that have never happend rigth? Then how can some druged woo woo harry potter wannabes know that?</p> <p>/Simon</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I am talking about the acsention thing.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This is all about a bunch of wack jobs who saw too many sci fi shows.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>So we can throw new demension enter in the trash can? :)</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Entering a new dimension is theoretical at best. Just keep that in mind.</p> 
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				<title>Re: New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>''but if we where going to enter an other demension in 2012, would'nt we be aware of som changes?''</p> <p>I've been thinking about that to, if something as big as demension shift in less then 3 years would happen I think we would se some changes, and have something like that ever happend? I don't think so exept for the big bang.</p> <p>I am no expert on astronomy but I think that so big changes in the solar system would happen in 3 years I am pretty sure that we would se changes.</p> <p>But how ever I don't know if the New Age people is refering to a cosmic new demension or some ''magic woo woo'' shift. :/</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>But is'nt a demension more like higth, y and x, etc I mean an other demension as the new age people talk about is more like an other universe, but if we where going to enter an other demension in 2012, would'nt we be aware of som changes?</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Well, no. As far as I am concerned it is so much gobbledy-gook. Some of them talk about 'ascension into higher planes', some of them talk about 'entering new dimensions', some of them talk about 'induction into galactic civilizations', and some of them talk about 'higher spiritual harmonic vibrations'.</p> <p>None of these things are real (with the possible exception of other dimensions, which is a prediction of some branches of physics).</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Okey, but as most of those people are saying that there will occur a sipritual transform is that even possible?</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Well, in general, the &quot;New Age Stuff&quot; tends to suffer from a complete lack of evidence. Since I'm kind of partial to evidence, I would say that there is nothing to it.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Okey, thanks. So there is noting at all to be worried about? Is it all fiction? :D</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I tend to think that Jackson was referring to global climate change. But, I could certainly see him buying into the 2012 nonsense.</p> <p>In the real world, some climatologists are saying that by 2013 the arctic ocean could be ice-free in the summer. This would be a catastrophic blow to polar bears, who need the ice in order to hunt for their prey (mostly seals). An ice-free arctic will devastate the polar bear population.</p> <blockquote> <p>I am very afraid of all this 2012 stuff, I mean I think that I have been brain washed becasue I think like ''Well there are so many things that people are saying will occur on dec 21&#160;2012 then maybe one is rigth..''</p> </blockquote> <p>Much of the 2012 nonsense is built on other 2012 nonsense. The proponents are quoting each other back and forth like they actually know something. Even the web.bot prediction is in this category, since it scours the web for date references. So, there are a lot of references to 12/21/2012, and the web.bot coughs up that date as &quot;significant&quot;, causing more people to talk about 12/21/2012&#8230;</p> <p>In other words, it is a circular argument. The prediction occurs because the date is mentioned, thereby assuming the conclusion in the premise.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>One more thing, Michael Jackson said in hes last rehearsal's that we had four years to save the earth or else dissasters would occur, I know 2009+4 is 2013 but then people are saying that he meant 2009 as one year so it would be 2009+3.</p> <p>And please don't say likte ''He is a crazy pedofile!'' because I really like him, but is here anything that might occur on dec 21&#160;2012? Are those new age people saying that stuff because they want people to buy there book?</p> <p>I am very afraid of all this 2012 stuff, I mean I think that I have been brain washed becasue I think like ''Well there are so many things that people are saying will occur on dec 21&#160;2012 then maybe one is rigth..''</p> <p>I just want to live a long and good life.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aFtEnSqIOI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aFtEnSqIOI</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pedoqyfLgRk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pedoqyfLgRk</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-leOz1z9No">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-leOz1z9No</a></p> <p>These are 3 you tube videos that explain why the enlightenment therory is rubbish.<br /> The first enlightenment was supposed to happen on Y2K. But nothing happened.</p> <p>Just watch there and I hope it answers your question</p> 
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				<title>New age stuff</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Erik</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Hello I am 14 years and was calmed down by this site but how ever there is still one more thing that bugs me, it's all the new age stuff about spiritual change, new demension e.t.c is any of that true?</p> <p>Please explain why it's rubbish ( if it is ).</p> 
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